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Interesting indeed. I wonder how long GitHub as a platform will be there as a viable option. Anyone who remembers SourceForge?
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It still exists. It's practically unusable without an adblocker (like slashdot) but the occasional old project is hosted there (particularly CDE. how the mighty have fallen)

Another step into ensh*ttification? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ

It's becoming clearer and clearer that open-source is our only hope against enshittification. Everything that is VC backed or publicly traded will become enshittified, it's just a matter of time. At least with open-source, you can fork it and remove the "features" or point your agent to it and have it write the feature in your tech stack.

Hell, I just saw an amazing open-source alternative to Raycast[0] and just replaced it the other day.

0. https://github.com/ospfranco/sol


> open-source is our only hope against enshittification. Everything that is VC backed or publicly traded will become enshittified

Solo founder here. My business is not VC-backed nor publicly traded, and I specifically avoided taking investment so that I can make all the decisions.

I avoid enshittification. This sometimes hurts revenue, but so be it. I wouldn't want to subject my users to anything I wouldn't like.

So, open-source is not the only hope. You can run a sustainable business without enshittification. The problem is money people. The moment money people (career managers, CFOs, etc) take over from product people, the business is on a downward path towards enshittification.


I believe you, it's just I've seen similar stories and the good-intentioned founder gets tired and eventually sells the business and the new owner ends up enshittifying the product. Not saying in the slightest it will happen to your company and I don't hold that against the founder. It's their prerogative after all.

Even when I use proprietary software, I sleep easier at night knowing that open-source alternatives keep them honest in their approach and I have an out if things do change.


> It's becoming clearer and clearer that open-source is our only hope against enshittification. Everything that is VC backed or publicly traded will become enshittified, it's just a matter of time.

Stallman was always right, after all.


Well, about the free-software part, anyway.

public/legislative demand for data portability is imho the movement that will help shift society from this cycle

edit: oh, that and distributed authentication and distributed discovery


I believe Codeberg is the new hotness

Codeberg is for FOSS repos only, and you need to submit an application before using their CI: https://codeberg.org/Codeberg-e.V./requests

In addition, they're doing some very shady stuff re: captchas and accessibility, most likely running some secret patches on their server that they're not publishing in their source tree.

Can you be more specific?

It is, but Codeberg is only for free and open source projects.

Check out https://codefloe.com for private repos hosted with Forgejo. It is also free and hosted in the EU.

Are you actually using this? Their status page seems to indicate that their main service is unhealthy for the past 6 days?

https://status.codefloe.com/

Unhealthy doesn't mean unusable but it sounded great until I checked that.


I just started using it last week. So can’t comment on the reliability yet.

You are free to host your own instance for commercial software.

But that would be Forgejo and some other projects AFAIK, not Codeberg (which is basically a hosting service using these projects)

Yeah sure, and I guess there's a market for that as a service - others have mentioned at least one instance of that.

until its not.

Every company or entity changes over time. Codeberg is great, but with more people using it for free, without donating, and worse, more people abusing the service with some bs AI generate code, malware, etc, more expensive will get to keep it running.. for now they have money, but as e.V in Germany, you survive either from members or from donations.. So use Codeberg, but most important, support it!



Just more Microslop, amazing...

Sourcehut is pretty good if you're willing to pay the (very reasonable may I add) prices

SourceForge is still chugging along. It hosts some prominent projects:

https://sourceforge.net/directory/linux/


A few decades? Its competitors are not magically immune to this kind of spam.

> Its competitors are not magically immune to this kind of spam.

Sure; a platform is a platform is a platform. As for predictions, it is interesting to see whether self-hosting and smaller self-managed infrastructures will gain more traction again.


> I wonder how long GitHub as a platform will be there as a viable option.

It will be there for as long as you (and everyone else) keep using it.


It will be there as long as M$ still needs to train LLMs on human-made code.

The desire for free stuff is one of the most effective psychological hacks there is.

The large majority of the dystopian web, like Gmail, Facebook, etc. depend on that.

People who avoid e.g. Github, Gmail, Facebook, Xitter, etc. out of concern for broader principles will always be minor outliers.

Xitter is one of the best examples. Everyone knows it's compromised, owned by an dangerously antisocial person who's actively working at multiple levels to make the lives of everyone else on Earth worse, yet very few have stopped using it.

The saying "There's no ethical consumption under capitalism" is far too weak. It should me more like, there are no ethics under capitalism.


It will probably remain as a platform for a very long time.

It's baked in literally into every coding tutorial and is kind of industry standard, like JIRA. Maybe it's just an experiment at this moment.

I must have a really really outdated version of K+R C.

Most larger orgs I worked for used Gitlab rather than Github.

Anyway, the core value of Github has always been collaboration - this is where people were. If people go to other platforms, this core value dwindles. And switching platforms is not that difficult.


> kind of industry standard

...for now.

> like JIRA

is not an industry standard. It's a widely used software by some folks. I used it in the past, not using now, for example.

> Maybe it's just an experiment at this moment.

Does Microsoft understand objection and negative feedback to experiments?

    - No.
    - Remind me in three days.

Fuck the industry standard. That is how industry standards change.

By the way, most pre-industry-standard FOSS projects still have their own infrastructure. I do find it disappointing that Rust is on GitHub.




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