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> What makes you believe this?

Simply, cut-throat competition. Given multiple nations are funding different AI-labs, quality of output and speed are one of the most important things.



Dating apps also have cut-throat competition and none of them are optimised for minimising the time you spend on the app.


They don’t, they’re all owned by Match group


So why can't a better one start?


Because Match buys them out. PoF, Tinder, Hinge started independent, and were bought by Match once they showed promise.


~90% of them are owned by Match


sigh We're doing this lie again? Quality of Outcome is not, has never been, and if the last 40 years are anything to go on will never be a core or even tangential goal. Dudes are trying to make the stock numbers go up and get paid. That's it. That's all it ever is.


You're just being pedantic and cynical.

Goal of any business in principle is profit, by your terms all of them are misaligned.

Matter of fact is that customers are receiving value and the value has been a good proxy for which company will grow to be successful and which will fail.


I'm being neither pedantic nor cynical. Do you need a refresher on value proposition vs actual outcomes on the last few decades of breathlessly hyped tech bubbles? Executive summary: the portions of tech industry that attract the most investment consistently produce the worst outcomes, the more cash the shittier the result. It's also worth noting that "value" is defined as anything you can manipulate someone to pay for.


I mean, yeah. All businesses are misaligned, unless a fluke aligns the profit motive with the consumers for a brief period.


Hey man people either get it or they don't. We're doomed.


How is nation-states funding private corporations "cut-throat competition"?


Ok, to be very honest I wrote that in the middle of having a couple of drinks. I guess, what I mean is, countries are funding AI labs because it can turn into a “winner-takes-it-all” competition. Unless the country starts blocking the leading providers.

Private companies will turn towards the best, fastest, cheapest (or some average of them). Country borders don’t really matter. All labs are fighting to get the best thing out in the public for that reason, because winning comes with money, status, prestige, and actually changing the world. This kind of incentives are rare.


> countries are funding AI labs because it can turn into a “winner-takes-it-all” competition.

Winner takes what exactly? They can rip off react apps quicker than everyone else? How terrifying.


Like I understand this commentary, but it’s so detached from reality. My dad in his 70s is writing Excel macros, even though he never touched that in his life. There are a ton of cases like this, but people can’t see reality out of their domains.


That’s so dope excel finally let old people learn this! They removed the agelock?!


Come on man, you know exactly what I mean. You can keep coming up with these arguments, but the world has moved on already. I genuinely don’t know a single person in 3 different countries from age 12+ who does not use LLMs at least once a week. We have to adapt, or choose to not play the “game”.


Your counter to "excel was never hard to learn" is "people use LLMs all day long" ??

I uh, think the LLM use has compromised your critical thinking skills.


What does this even mean? Are you disputing the fact that AI labs are competing with each other because they are funded by nation-states?


Why do you have to compete if you can just say "but China!" And get billions more dollars from the government


Cut throat competition between nations is usually called war. In war, gathering as much information as possible on everyone is certainly a strategic wanna do. Selling psyops about how much benefits will come for everyone willing to join the one sided industrial dependency also is a thing. Giving significant boost to potentially adversarial actors is not a thing.

That said universe don't obligate us to think the cosmos is all about competition. Cooperation is always possible as a viable path, often with far more long term benefits at scale.

Competition is superfluous self inflict masochism.




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