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The cynic in me feels like 'safer' is code for censorship in this case.


The service is run by a French non‑profit organization, not the EU.


A french non-profit subject to the EU and France rules.

Which means they absolutely abide the DSA and must block 'illegal content' which is pretty extensive these days. Includes 'hate speech' which isnt well defined, but only when ordered by a court. Not to mention various "disinformation" orders they must abide by now.

They are also subject to orders from ARCOM? for copyright related stuff.

They are also obligated to record and store all dns queries by ip essentially forever.

This is literally why the title claims "safer". They are censoring.


Why would the French (or other) government not have agents planted in such a high-value place? It's almost without question that they do.


I make myself the same question every time I use US services. Which is why I want to drop them.


It seems rather unlikely to me that they do.


It seems unthinkable to me that someone wouldn't


So you believe the French secret service to be omnipotent.


What? Where did I say omnipotent? Governments put agents in places; this is a well known fact of life. DNS logs are a fantastic source of nefarious information-gathering.


You said "unthinkable" which implies omnipotence.


I said "it seems unthinkable to me". This means that I find it so unlikely that no reasonable person could ever think it to be the case.

"I find it so unlikely that governments don't have agents in the public DNS service that I can't believe anyone would ever believe it to be the case that they don't"


are you French? just interesting.


No I'm American, which is why I can't comprehend anyone trusting a government or a public service


What's the difference between moderation and censorship?

Characterization.

I'm certainly not aware of any possible ways of restricting things to make things safer where one couldn't just decide to call it censorship at least.


> What's the difference between moderation and censorship?

Control.

If it is an optional service provided to users it is moderation.

If it is not optional, then it is censorship.


Sounds poorly defined. I have no explicit obligation to participate on this forum or any other high profile tech forum, but should I feel inclined implicitly, now I'm beholden to the local moderation.

I'm "free to leave the EU if I don't like it", as a certain kind of folk would say.


> Sounds poorly defined.

Issues like this always have exceptions and grey areas

> I'm "free to leave the EU if I don't like it",

A country is free to leave the EU. An individual can leave by moving elsewhere.

I have never come across anyone saying they could give up EU membership as an individual, as individuals are not members of the EU.

> I have no explicit obligation to participate on this forum or any other high profile tech forum, but should I feel inclined implicitly, now I'm beholden to the local moderation.

That is exactly the point. Private spaces can have all kinds of rules stopping you doing things you are free to do in public.


> Issues like this always have exceptions and grey areas

That's my point. If that holds, then it will also hold that there will be individuals who can call moderation censorship. Either we accept these categories as equals from the get-go (content filtering), or this doesn't justify equating them, which is what GP said he'd be doing if he felt the cynic rise in them.

For what it's worth, it's not that I don't recognize the ideas of moderation and censorship different. It's just that I think of them as different characterizations of the same thing - and then sometimes those characterizations I find fair, sometimes not so much.

> I have never come across anyone saying they could give up EU membership as an individual, as individuals are not members of the EU.

You're still yet to come across anyone like that, as you're misinterpreting the word "leave" for reasons beyond me.

I can leave my home, I can leave my home country, why couldn't I leave [the area of] the EU? Why did you think I was talking about some ceremonial relinquishing of my EU "citizenship" that as you say does not exist?

> you are free to do in public.

There's nothing stopping anyone from claiming any area as theirs and then imposing rules on them, trivially bypassing this notion. Examples include: not in my backyard, not in front of my house, not in this city, not in this country, etc.


> ou're still yet to come across anyone like that, as you're misinterpreting the word "leave" for reasons beyond me.

I think you are misinterpreting people who are either physically moving out, or who want their country to leave the union. DO you really know people who claim they will do the impossible/meaningless?

> There's nothing stopping anyone from claiming any area as theirs and then imposing rules on them, trivially bypassing this notion. Examples include: not in my backyard, not in front of my house, not in this city, not in this country, etc.

Really? How would they impose their rules on others? I have a neighbour who does not like me marking in front of her house, but there is nothing she can do about it other than make a request.

TO change things at city or country level you need to have the power to impose it, so only the government can do it.


That should say "parking in from of her house", not "marking"!




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