China is responding to provocative actions of the US in Taiwan, the same way russia responded in Ukraine.
"The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones" If you can't smell the propaganda you've been fed to believe this irrational racist statements probably you will enjoy the draft.
No country should be subjugated to the desires of another. Ukraine wanted to join the EU, that was their provocation?
Several paramilitary groups in its home soil have been funded by Russia, Russia took over Crimea, Russia has invaded them. Only then was NATO ever on the table.
> Ukraine wanted to join the EU, that was their provocation?
Hello, 2014 American sponsored, Nuland-designed Maidan coup which got rid of an elected President whose election had been formally and successfully vetted by EU observers, following which a fifth of Ukraine's ethnic Russian regions rebelled.
Remember - Nuland was so personally involved that she was handing over food and drinks to "protestors". If this had been a U.S. ally, there would have been howls of foreign interference 24x7 on TV.
Ukraine even put joining NATO as a constitutional guideline and part of their National Security Strategy in 2020-21!
Imagine Mexico as a member of a military Anti-USA coalition - you can bet that there would an American invasion the next year for "regime change".
> No country should be subjugated to the desires of another.
Remove U.S. military bases from Cuba, Iraq and Syria - and then talk about "subjugation" to the desires of another nation. The sanctimonious hypocrisy of Americans always astonishes non-NATO citizens.
Hello, there was no "Nuland-designed Maidan coup", and no, there was no indigenous violent rebellion in the Eastern regions.
Nuland was so personally involved that she was handing over food and drinks to "protestors"
And still she had no effect on the actual course of events. The whole Nuland story exists entirely in the lefty/peacenik blogosphere; but it's a complete non-story within Ukraine. You will literally not find a single educated person who gives any credence to it (outside the usual 5 percent of population who are ready to go off and believe anything).
I see Americans will disgustingly continue to put their head into the sands regarding the extreme culpability of the U.S. statement department in the coup of Ukraine despite any level of evidence. There are any number of decade-old videos you can find of Nuland joyfully co-mingled with Maidan protestors. She traveled several times to Ukraine to participate in the protest. (Many of explicitly clear ones where she cracks jokes regarding the President while handing out cookies have disappeared over the years, thanks to take-downs)
In the famous Nuland-Pyatt leaked call, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should or should not be in Ukraine's new government. This was happening even before the President Yanukovych was kicked out! She even said "No" to Vitaly Klitschko as a replacement. He was far too moderate, you see. She explicitly mentioned anti-Russian extremist Yatsenyuk as her choice. And LO - the heavens agreed with her choice. He became the leader of the post-coup government.
And that lead directly to the rebellion. It was the equivalent of a Nazi taking charge of a nation with a large number of Jewish districts. Obviously, you would have a rebellion after the coup. And obviously the rebels would ask for Russian help and receive it. Israel gets hardcore military support halfway across the world from U.S anytime it needs it. Why wouldn't Russia assist rebelling ethnic Russian regions terrified by the coup ? Remember - this was a LAWFULLY elected President - VETTED by the EU overthrown in a coup! With the U.S. State Department Shining Star in full support.
(There was another interview with a frightened EU minister who talked about the U.S. involvement in the coup and her fear of the future. Can't find this since its been a decade now)
Nuland immediately became the lead U.S. point person for Ukraine's "Revolution of Dignity" and also established loan guarantees to Ukraine's new government, including a $1 billion loan guarantee in 2014.
You appear to need an absolute, extraordinary threshold of evidence - which is simply impossible without waiting for 2064 where this stuff will be hopefully de-classified, unless the U.S. President at the time postpones de-classification. Yet, the U.S. has gone to war on the basis of circumstantial evidence time and time again.
Nuland giving out cakes and comingling with protestors represents major culpability in a coup?
So those protestors didn't riot because Yanukovych killed the EU association agreement a day before signing?
An agreement that he ran his election platform on and replaced it with a customs union with Belarus and Russia.
Btw it was Yanukovych who proposed making Yatsenyuk as prime minister on Jan 25.
FSB thug Igor Girkin himself said that he and his men started the Donbas conflict when they occupied Sloviansk.
The first prime minister of Donetsk Alexander Borodai once said in a phone call that his loyalty was to one and one nation only, the Russian Federation.
You try to justify an invasion of Ukraine by explaining what Russia perceived as problems. Dude, we know Russia’s position on the matter: we don’t believe it is enough. Giving water to protestors, and the existence of Gunatanamo do not make Putin correct.
Hey, did the man in the telly ever tell you about how messy the process of setting Ukraine's borders was back in 1990? Independent countries had to be carved out from the corpse of the USSR, and how does one set their borders? Well, one convenient way would be to use some existing administrative boundary, and this Ukraine was created within the borders of the Ukrainian SSR...
Except that it wasn't that easy. Even back then there as debate over what status Crimea should have. The region already was an autonomy, and even held elections and elected a president. And then got attached to Ukraine anyway and had its independence obliterated.
Sure, because there is not 100% consensus on the political situation of Crimea, that gives the right of Russia to invade Ukraine and kill people as much as it wants.
There is a mechanism to resolve those matters: referendums. Once again your arguments are left wanting. Messy and difficult internal politics surrounding fundamental issues does not allow the invasion of a neighbour.
Crimea didn't need daddy Russia to forcibly integrate it into the Russian state. It could have done that all its own if it had wanted. The fact Russia has to lower itself to violence to integrate territory illustrates how poor its logic is.
It wasn't ignored -- it got a lot of attention all right.
But then 2014 happened, and everything changed. Once you choose to ally yourself with a foreign power that is aggressively attacking the larger nation you are attempting to secede from -- as the political establishment of the ASSR did at the time -- your moral claim to independence (a key being always an assurance that you will never do harm to that nation) is instantly invalidated.
And when that foreign power you are seeking to ally with also happens to be the one that genocided a large chunk of your indigenous population -- not centuries ago; but in living memory -- that claim is nullified even further.
> "The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones"
Everyone believes this, not just those on "our" side. Geopolitics is currently best described as a forcefield, where a myriad of interests vie for influence at any cost. To believe that "the other side" is simply responding to the nefarious, expansionist ambitions of the west is not smelling the propaganda too.
The good side is but one, the side that seeks to replace destructive, imperialist, selfish policies from all sides with cooperation and the rule of international law. That is unfortunately a fledgling position to take ATM.
which was started via China's provocations in the southern china seas. Not to mention the de-democratization of hong kong.
As for russia, their "response" is due to the fact that they don't want ukraine to lean westwards, regardless of the desire of the populous. I personally don't believe russia should have any say in how ukraine leans, and if their populous wants to lean westwards, russia have no right to intervene.
"The others are irrational actors, crazies. We are the normal ones" If you can't smell the propaganda you've been fed to believe this irrational racist statements probably you will enjoy the draft.