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  > As far as I know nobody (other than bs "news" outlets) ever claimed covid-19 vaccinations would diminish the risk of getting covid-19.
Gaslighting at it's finest. Here is the Director of the CDC Rochelle Walensky in her own words:

"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick. And that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data."

President Biden then echoed the same thing.

So you have the head of the CDC and the President of the US saying the same lie, which then trickled down to essentially every health professional, media outlet etc. until everybody understood this nonsense to be "the truth". Except, it was always a lie.



The statement was walked back just a few days later. It wasn't a lie, it was a mistake. https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/546234-cdc-r...

>Gaslighting at it's finest.

Eek.


  > It wasn't a lie, it was a mistake.
No. The data never showed at any time that vaccines prevented infection or transmission. That was never a thing, we were told it was a thing, but no data sets ever showed that to be true. And making it worse, when this was pointed out at the time people were banned form social platforms and called conspiracy theorists just for saying what was always true.

And it's especially ironic that your link only contains more outright falsehoods such as these gems:

  > “What we know is the vaccines are very substantially effective against infection"
and..

  > “It’s possible that some people who are fully vaccinated could get COVID-19"
These are still false, because most people who were vaccinated still got Covid which is the opposite of "effective". That's why the argument switched to "well you should still get it because you won't get quite as sick".


You don't seem to understand what a lie is. You are uncharitably interpreting statements made during an evolving situation.


No, in an evolving situation you don't lie, you say "we don't know", or "we are hoping this will help".

When you say "vaccinated people don't carry the virus" and you are the head of the CDC or the President or countless other idiots who repeated the same thing, then you are in fact lying because that statement was never true. It's not that it was true, and then things changed. It was never true and they knew it wasn't true. And the lie was weaponized against anybody who questioned it.

They lied to the public, and there will be no historical revisionism on this.


>No, in an evolving situation you don't lie, you say "we don't know", or "we are hoping this will help".

No, in an evolving situation you explain the facts as you currently know them. Why else would they have walked it back days later if it was a lie? You don't make any sense.

>It was never true and they knew it wasn't true.

Ah, I see you're quite happy to make stuff up in the absense of actual facts. You have nothing to demonstrate it as a lie, you easily make that leap because it suits your narrative. So again, you don't understand what a lie is.


  > No, in an evolving situation you explain the facts as you currently know them. 
I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing the point here, so I'll restate the obvious:

There was never a data set that ever indicated at any time that vaccinated people couldn't get or spread the virus. Therefore, stating that vaccinated people didn't carry the virus was a lie.

For it not to have been a lie, they would have had to base the idea that vaccinated people don't carry the virus on some sort of data that indicated that. Except, there has never been data to suggest vaccinated people don't carry virus. Since no data ever indicated that vaccinated people couldn't carry the virus, stating that as a fact was a lie.




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