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Do you think, maybe, that has something to do with Germany losing 4000 ICU beds? https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-icu-medics-expect-covid-surge...


That actually has a lot to do with the pandemic itself, as intensive care personnel quit their jobs due to the extended stress.

https://correctiv.org/faktencheck/2021/11/17/divi-praesident...


Is that excuse something you'd use as a defense in court? Because that looks like mismanagement to me, and changes nothing. After two years, there should be more ICU beds, not thousands less.


You posted a tangentially related source to your claim and I posted the correct context of this claim.

It clearly shows that ICU beds decreased involuntarily and actually as part of the healthcare system starting to fail due to exhaustion. It actually underlines the point of GP you responded to.

But yes, German public funded organizations are notoriously inflexible when it comes to attracting employees due to tons of bureaucratic red tape.

I don't see the relevance of a defense in court here. How about we stay on topic?


What are these arguments though? This is clearly a failure of the government, not a problem caused by unvaccinated people. If you lose infrastructure during a prolonged crisis, instead of building more: you are failing. I don't understand how you can rationalize this in your favor.


In TFA from the parent comment, it states that the reduction is directly correlated to not having appropriate staffing; not necessarily a count of physical beds.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to about a “defense in court”, but I also don’t know what the appropriate solution is for that situation. Teaching / training people takes time, and compulsory service at the direction of the government seems like overreach.


How much time does it actually take? How much money has been burned by lockdowns? We could have had fewer lockdowns and speed-trained a bunch of overpaid, specialised nurses.


This is what I don’t understand. If this thing was really, truly the emergency people keep saying it is… we’d find a way to staff all this stuff. We’d pull people from retirement, turn foot doctors into Covid doctors, let nursing students do stuff… relax the licensing so it works. Then we’d dump truckloads of money on them, give them teslas each Christmas… whatever. Society would figure it out.


We kinda did that in Czech hospitals in the 2020/2021 winter wave - students of medicine even get forced work assignments (possible in emergency state).

Back then there was no vaccine and there was really no way around that (how well people respected the emergency measures is debatable though).

Now the situation is different- we have a vaccine yet only about 60% took it & the medical personnel has go to hell yet again, taking care mainly for those who did not bother to care for their health & of others who they managed to infect. No wonder they are not very enthusiastic about comming for a second round, that was largely avoidable...


Did they try paying them more? Or did they run out of money paying off pharma?




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