I remember my father talking about Internet Mahir when I was kid. We were so curious how a random guy from our hometown became so famous, and got the key of the internet. Internet Mahir contributed to my life that way. My father began buying magazines about computers, those magazines would give lots of CDs that we hold and ask "what do they do with this?". Then my father went to Istanbul for funeral of my uncle, and came back with a desk, designed for computers. We didn't have a computer but there was the desk. A few years later, we bought a computer, and internet connection to our home. First website we visited was "ikissyou.com" and then I was trying to make one for me and my brother. Thanks to Internet Mahir, I have a job now.
- Guy Goma, who was at the BBC to interview for an IT job, but was mistaken for another guy (with the name "Guy") who was scheduled to give a tech pundit interview, and so had to improvise answers relating to an Apple pundit dispute. He ended up not getting the IT job but got a bit famous anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5evS-ApSNQ
- One more music-famous-meme: the drummer is at the wrong gig...always brings a huge laugh to me, and got this guy some nice gigs, including an appearance on The Office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
Tay Zonday's response is hilarious. "It is hard to create Derridaβs fracture in the repetition of power structures when the loins of civil society log every personβs digital utterance."
My own writing style, for better or worse, tends to hover around a sixth-grade reading level, but I love experiencing authors who have distinct voices, and I especially appreciate ones who have the courage to break out all of the five dollar words and obscure metaphors.
In our anti-intellectual culture, doing that really risks mockery (case in point), but I think sophisticated, complex writing can illuminate in ways other styles can't, and it's just a fun obstacle course for the reader's language center.
I agree- I really wish there wasn't such a stigma against, as you phrased it, "five-dollar words". I love reading older writing because (maybe without the internet and things like /r/iamverysmart?) they seem drastically less afraid to say exactly what they want to, in the way they want to.
There's also an anachronistic charm to them I guess, but I think the word-choice-freedom is still a big factor.
to be fair, a good portion of /r/iamverysmart is not just about using fancy words, but also about misusing them or using them to present yourself as better/smarter than other people
That comment is in no way 6th grade level writing.
I think calling clear and understandable writing for "anti-intellectual" is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time.
I agree with your sentiment that writings rich in vocabulary can be a "fun obstacle course" but if you have an actual message you want to convey, it is usually not a good idea to hide it behind an obstacle course.
> That comment is in no way 6th grade level writing.
No, but the first couple of paragraphs of my most recent blog post[1] are.
> I think calling clear and understandable writing for "anti-intellectual" is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time.
Yeah, that would be pretty stupid. Good thing I didn't do that, I guess.
> I agree with your sentiment that writings rich in vocabulary can be a "fun obstacle course" but if you have an actual message you want to convey, it is usually not a good idea to hide it behind an obstacle course.
Sure, but I think you're hinting that the "but if" part is a given in all writing. I mostly do technical writing where my aim is to inform. I also try to entertain since it helps people stick around long enough to be informed.
But that's a pretty narrow slice of the kinds of things people can express in language. Think about poetry, satire, koans, philosophy, and metafiction. Imagine what little would be left of House of Leaves after a technical book editor had their way with it.
A huge part of the experience of reading is decoding the author's language back into your own mentalese. For many authors, like mine, the goal is generally to make that process as easy and transparent as possible to help their reader focus their attention on the unadorned ideas.
But some of my favorite reading experiences were ones that required me to stretch my brain, or that juxtaposed a series of words together in such a surprising, novel way that I felt I'd seen a new color for the first time. Some ideas have lodged permanently in my head not because the author shot them into my skull with the ease of a crossbow bolt but because I had to tear apart the author's words with my bare hands and stuff each dripping piece of knowledge in my own mouth.
> I think calling clear and understandable writing for "anti-intellectual" is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time.
"Clear and understandable" to who? Communication in general, and writing in particular, usually has a target audience. If your audience can grok[1] it, go for it!
As an extreme example, you cannot write a "clear and understandable" PhD thesis in Linguistics while avoiding five-dollar words (to borrow the term).
I think XKCD's "up-goer five" is a suitable counter argument against words that are too simple to clearly communicate complex ideas succinctly. Jargon has its place in language.
1. Meta-excercise: attempt to use the word 'grok' in casual conversation with a non-techie.
> I think XKCD's "up-goer five" is a suitable counter argument against words that are too simple to clearly communicate complex ideas succinctly. Jargon has its place in language.
Are you saying up-goer five is a good example of simple word usage or a bad example?
Anyway, parent poster is talking about how we should add rare and hard-to-understand words to make reading a more mentally challenging exercise as opposed to using words that describes the subject matter clearly and concisely, using the simplest words and phrasings that can adequately convey your message.
Your "extreme example" is abused by thousands and thousands of academics as an excuse for poor, hard to read and hard to understand academic writing. You can in fact write clear and concisely in a phd thesis. But since the author assumes the reader has a large background knowledge in the field, it will still not be accessible to the average reader.
> Are you saying up-goer five is a good example of simple word usage or a bad example?
A bad example (because of the resulting verbosity and inexactness). It's an example of how simple words are inadequate to explain complex ideas succinctly
> You can in fact write clear and concisely in a phd thesis
You ignored the rest of my sentence. I did not say [you cannot write a "clear and understandable" PhD thesis]. I said [you cannot write a "clear and understandable" PhD thesis in Linguistics while avoiding five-dollar words]
> But since the author assumes the reader has a large background knowledge in the field, it will still not be accessible to the average reader
Who exactly is the "average reader" of academic writing?
It sounds to me like you are making a blanket statement: "jargon is bad". I am saying jargon provides useful ways of expression.
To be fair, how would you expect him to talk after a decade of people pretending not to understand him because they don't like his message?
Even though it's almost nine years later, every day there are so many white people leaving comments on the Chocolate Rain video pretending not to understand what he's talking about that you'd think it was our national sport.
>every day there are so many white people leaving comments on the Chocolate Rain video pretending not to understand what he's talking about that
I don't think that's a charitable interpretation. Whether you're black or white, his song is very metaphorical. The underlying tone can generally be understood, and the lyrics aren't nonsense, but it's difficult to comprehend any of them when taken literally.
Of course it's easy to see that the song is related to the plight of black members of society ("chocolate", school books, prisons, "living in a gate"), but the metaphors he uses are definitely not obvious, nor is his exact message obvious without close analysis of the lyrics.
It's pretty ridiculous to assume someone's confusion is an intentional racist aggression. Also, many people genuinely aren't aware of past and present issues black Americans face, so their not recognizing them doesn't somehow mean they approve of them or are dismissive.
> it's difficult to comprehend any of them when taken literally.
"The same crime has a higher price to pay, The judge and jury swear it's not in the face."
"Every February washed away"
"The bell curve blames the baby's DNA, But test scores are how much the parents made"
Not exactly metaphorical. I have no doubt there are people who don't get it. But there are also a million explanations, not only all around the web but also in the comments section itself. But people keep covering up the explanations by asking what the song is about, which I'm sure occasionally happens purely innocently, but in aggregate it's hard to see as anything but a deliberate attempt to silence black people.
Especially once you compare the comments on this song to the comments on, say, Stairway to Heaven, whose lyrics are 10x as 'metaphorical'.
I would say that he perhaps predicts your comment in the song itself:
"Only in the past is what they say [...] Say it publicly, and you're insane"
I was "published" in a perl book; a screenshot of the #perl efnet IRC channel was used in the "other resources" section, and something I'd said was part of that. The money that rolled in after that, ....hoooo, boy!
I remember at one point there was a "White Pages" published which listed every email address on the internet. Such fame. So wow.
My other brush with fame was having my site posted on slashdot and later on digg. http://www.deadharddrive.com/ It was definitely exciting and an eye-opener to some of the experiences these people must go through - the positive and the negative.
I was close friends with an "internet celebrity" ca. 06-07, when she became huge on YouTube. She did get millions of views (I believe; she was on of the earliest to monetise YouTube), ended up pulling everything off after being hacked and abused at her home address.
I haven't spoken to her in years but I remember the affect the depraved stuff aome people do - call pizza for delivery, leave things in mailboxes, hack the computer and steal private files, stalking.... It's just crazy.
>I haven't spoken to her in years but I remember the affect the depraved stuff aome people do - call pizza for delivery, leave things in mailboxes, hack the computer and steal private files, stalking.... It's just crazy.
I think this teaches us that there are two categories of people in large-ish quantities:
1) Lots of imbalanced people out there.
2) Lots of teenagers whose parents didn't instill social skills into them.
Completely agree on both parts. The people targeting her were socially inept from what she could work out but really creepy all the same. She had a computer in her room and parents with little understanding of technology.
Does anyone else wonder if the concept of "internet famousness" has a finite shelf life? At least at the level that these people experienced?
The internet engine seems to be cranking through memes faster and faster. Sure, a video might get several million views, but the very next week, those millions of people are already on to the next thing.
It just seems to me like our collective memory is getting shorter and shorter and the fallout from internet famousness might start shrinking, if it hasn't already.
I don't see any evidence that the cycle has gotten faster. There were plenty of mayfly wonders on YouTube years and years ago, and the Internet had its memes well before. It doesn't look much different to me over the past decade, (Have aggregators like Fark, YTMD, SomethingAwful, 4chan, really sped up? The list is so long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_phenomena If we looked at knowyourmeme.com's lists and the Google search histories, I don't think we would see much of a speedup. Memes would still be born and die on similar timescales.)
Pretty interesting to see quite a few that South Park ended up using in their bit about "Internet Money" from a while ago. I really enjoyed their take on the subject. Hell, even Garfunkel and Oates turned their little gimmick (Pregnant Women Are Smug) into an actual career in entertainment so the article kind of misses at least one, and probably more.
My closest actual relation was with a member of The Gregory Brothers who did Auto Tune the News, which was viral, but also kind of a business card for potential future work.
I never understood the logic behind www.Zombo.com other than to be a marker in the sand for mocking internet culture. Glad to see it's still functioning. THE INFINITE IS POSSIBLE AT ZOMBO COM!
I also wonder about all the rickroll stuff. The stuff that most of us don't mention in public. Mostly it was anonymous. Some probably featured actors. But there were some seriously messed up people.
