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$500 for 2-3 years is great. And it will last much longer than that in reality.

It's pretty plain to see that the Neo eats any competitors lunch at that price point. It isn't close.


The computer is $600. It’s only $500 on the education store. Many Apple customers will not have access. Anyone who walks into a physical Apple Store will have to prove their eduction status.

I am not sure why it’s eating competitors lunch when many very well-regarded competitors are in the price range available at stores.

What’s better about a Neo than a Yoga 7? Same price range.

https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenovo-yoga-7-2-in-1-copilot...

This is $40 more than the Neo’s top model and you get double the RAM and an OLED convertible touch screen.


Aside from the pitiful screen resolution for a 14-inch screen and the fact that the Lenovo has a fan, they are indeed similar.

But I don't know why you cannot see it as terrible for the PC makers that Apple finally has entered the sub-1000$ market. Since Apple has existed they've been in the high-end of the market, and now they're not. The Lenovo I'm sure is fine, but what it doesn't have is clarity of purpose. The Neo is a laptop and nothing else. Which leads me to question whether that very complicated Lenovo hinge will survive the 7 years my Mac laptops give me.


160 ppi is not pitiful, it's the same as a 27" 4K monitor.

Is "clarity of purpose" ghost of Steve Jobs speak for refusing features to customers?

Why is it so hard to conceive of a student wanting to write hand-written notes on a 2-in-1 laptop? Apple would rather sell you a second device.

Why are we assuming the hinge on 2-in-1 laptops can't survive? These are not new products. These are well-regarded, highly reviewed products from the #1 PC manufacturer in the world (Apple is #4).


> What’s better about a Neo than a Yoga 7?

If you already have an iPhone, there are lovely little integration things that sound like small beans but are really valuable over time, eg.:

- copy-paste text between devices

- get verification codes from text messages to auto-fill in Safari on Mac

I don't know if Yoga 7 is good in this regard, but when you open the lid on a Macbook, it's awake and interactive before you've finished swinging it open. And battery life is outstanding. I'd miss things like that.


So the Apple advantage is, essentially, the evasion of antitrust rules. Nice. In any event, I use KDE Connect to send my clipboard around between iOS, Windows, Android, and Linux.

The whole "instant on when you open the lid" thing is not impressive in 2026. Even with Linux my laptop is instant-on from sleep in a very similar fashion.

And, again, here I am as a broken record repeating this since nobody is listening because they've been indoctrinated by Apple marketing:

The MacBook Neo does not have as good battery life as the more expensive models! In comparison testing with other similar PC laptops the battery life is very middle of the road!


On the contrary, nobody here is suggesting Microsoft isn't really diverse. They're suggesting that Apple is going to start to eat into their SMB market.

Nobody at Microsoft is saying, "we don't care if Apple chips away at SMB because we have Call of Duty"


Microsoft offers Office for Mac. It's a thing they do. It's the full fledged Office suite. They see a Mac user the same way they see a Windows user - a source of revenue.

Office for Mac is increasingly getting feature parity with the windows version, but it is not fully there yet.

For example, if you want to use "data model" in Excel, it is only available in the windows version.


Yeah and ms access is completely missing. It lacks the full version of onenote too.

The one thing that shines is Mac outlook where on windows you'll soon have to put up with that joke of a web app.


Not always. There's no Minecraft for Mac, they even prohibited Macs running the iPad version. It's essentially been ported to Apples APIs but purposely withheld from macOS.

I'm talking about enterprise software, not games. Minecraft exists for Mac, grab the Java version.

Anyone on Bedrock Minecraft is probably there for the cross-platform multiplayer. The Java version doesn't substitute for that. (MS made Bedrock and Java incompatible so they can rent-seek on closed mod and server-hosting "marketplaces"; can't let people share things and have fun without paying a middleman after all, think of the wasted "productivity"!)

Man I've never read a comment so detached from my actual experience


I hope the irony of your comment isn't lost on you


I mean I guess, but you and I are not going to see eye to eye on so-called "virtue signaling" so it isn't the burn you think it is. Virtue signaling is just a fancy term for shaming, right? Shaming serves society by moderating behavior that is unethical or immoral but not illegal. It serves a real purpose to keep us from sliding into a world where we act on our base instincts. Sure people can be a dick about it and be smug and superior, but it is really easy to roll your eyes and move on instead of getting triggered by it.


I think the two words are ["stop being", "pedantic"]


The point of this discussion is pedantry.


How do you not see how they got that from what you wrote?


The argument is obviously that this is not enough to disprove rubber stamping.

"also proof" is a strawman, plain as day.


So you hope the people keeping you safe continue to put themselves in danger for you. Got it.


Sure. But they can be way better than human drivers with only cameras. Visibility is rarely the cause of car crashes. Reaction time. Decision making. Follow distance. Speed. All these things are way more important to get right than "seeing through fog"


> In the USA he would be bankrupt (or dead)

Why? I live in the US. I have the best healthcare coverage in the world. I pay absolutely nothing for it, ever. No matter the cost. And I have access tot he best doctors, innovations, and technology in the world.

Tell me again why your friend would be dead? It sounds like you really have a poor understanding of American health care.


I suppose you work... and have an employer who pays for your extraordinary insurance?


You just invented a hypothetical situation in your head then drew conclusions from it. In my version, the other car misses the kid entirely.


Yeah, but Tesla has a proven bad safety record. Waymo doesn't and the GP comment is alluding to that


Evidence (preferably with recent Teslas/HW4)?


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